I just got back from the Eidos Metaphysics conference in Geneva. It was really good fun and a great opportunity to catch up with people. One talk I went to was Robert Schwartzkopff’s, which was about the kind of metaphysical picture that is popular at Leeds. I just thought I’d write a little something about some issues that arose.
Following Kit Fine and others, we might be tempted to draw a distinction between what exists and what fundamentally exists (or really exists, or metaphysically exists, or whatever). Despite initial reticence, I’m quite attracted to this view (if you hang around in Leeds long enough, you end up being sympathetic to lots of funny views like this).
Question: what should we, qua fundamentalists, say about ontological commitment?
One view, which Ross Cameron has suggested, is that the friend of fundamentality should reject the normal Quinean criterion in favour of something else. Why? Well, I guess the idea is that the Quinean criterion will have us being ontologically committed to non-fundamental things (tables, say), because we’re committed to saying that “there are tables” expresses a truth. But fundamentalists, at least as they are often conceived, are tough desert dwellers who don’t want non-fundamental things like tables, and sums, and numbers in their ontologies. Rather, they just want the fundamental things. So, the Quinean criterion gives the wrong results and we better put something else in its place (perhaps something in terms of requirements or perhaps something in terms of truthmaking or perhaps something else). Then hopefully, we’ll be able to say that “there are tables” expresses a truth without being ontologically committed to tables and without the need to mess out with paraphrase or assertoric force or anything like that. On this view, the ontological question is “what fundamentally exists?” and the ontological project is to answer this question and not Quine’s question “what exists?”.
One thing that isn’t immediately clear, however, is that this is what the fundamentalist has to say. Here is how I tend to look at the matter at the moment. Quine asked the right question when he asked “what exists?”. And let’s spot Quine that his criterion for ontological commitment was broadly right. On this view, fundamentalists are ontologically committed both to fundamental things and to non-fundamental things. But this isn’t to say that the distinction between the fundamental and the non-fundamental doesn’t play an important role.
Suppose we have two theories, T1 and T2. T1 and T2 have exactly the same ontological commitments by Quinean standards. But T1 says that many more things are fundamental than T2 does. Both Ross and I will agree that T2 is the better theory. Ross will say that this is because T2 has less ontological commitments than T2 and that this, ceteris parabis, gives us reason to prefer T2 to T1. I can’t say that, because I’m buying the Quinean criterion, but I will say that T2 is simpler in terms of its fundamental ontology and that this, ceteris paribus, gives us reason to prefer T2 over T1. So, for both Ross and I, the distinction between the fundamental and the non-fundamental plays an important role when it comes to theory choice.
At this point, you might think that the difference between Ross’s view and mine is purely terminological. I’m identifying the ontological commitments of a theory with the entities which that theory says exists either fundamentally or derivatively. Ross is identifying the ontological commitments of a theory with the entities which that theory says exists fundamentally. But since we’re both agreeing that on the role that the distinction plays in terms of theory choice, we’re just differing over how to use the word ‘ontological commitment’.
To be honest, I wouldn’t care too much if this was the case. And I don’t think Ross would either. Now I’m going to finally get round to reading Ross’s latest paper on this topic, “Quantification, Naturalness and Ontology”, which is available from his webpage.

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July 20, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Ross Cameron
Hey Rich. Would you also hold that if the following two claims:
1) If T1 and T2 have the same fundamental ontology, then what they claim exists non-fundamentally makes no difference wrt which one we should accept.
2) If T1 says that there are more fundamental existents than T2 then we should, other things being equal, prefer T2, and the ‘other things’ there doesn’t include whether or not T1 says there fewer non-fundamental existents. (That is, you don’t get to balance a cost in having more fundamentals by having fewer non-fundamentals).
If you hold both of those, then I’m tempted to think we’ve got a purely verbal dispute. (Incidentally, this is something I’ve talked about with Schaffer a bit: he thinks I’m wrong about ontological commitment, but thinks that it isn’t ontological commitments Ockham’s razor tells you to minimise, it’s the fundamentals – so again, I suspect we’ve got a purely verbal dispute – although I’m not 100% confident about that.)
‘Ontological commitments’ is a term of art, of course; I tend to hold fixed that the ontological commitments are the entities we look at to judge a theory with respect to qualitative and quantitative parsimony: so I treat it as analytic that Ockham’s razor tells you to minimise your ontological commitments. But of course I’m happy for it to be used so that Quine is right, so long as you don’t *also* believe that it’s a theoretical cost to believe in non-fundamental tables over and above the fundamental simples arranged table-wise.
There are, of course, other thesis in the area that are related to this that we might disagree about that would be substantial – but this one I think is probably not – IF you agree with 1 and 2 above.
July 20, 2008 at 5:15 pm
richwoodward
Thanks Ross. Yeah, perhaps it wasn’t explicit in the original post, but I was thinking that having fewer non-fundamental things wasn’t relevant to theory choice. All the action is at the fundamental level. So that seems to underwrite the two claims you mentioned.
The kind of line I was putting forward was basically the kind of line you say Schaffer was up for. And it was in the presence of that kind of line – that Ockham’s Razor was about minimizing fundamentals – that I was thinking you’d regard as a pureply verbal thing.
The context was that in Robert’s talk, he was associating you with the views that (a) Ockham’s Razor was going to get the fundamentalist reading and (b) that Quine’s criterion of ontological commitment was wrong. And what I wanted to highlight was that once we give Ockham’s Razor the fundamentalist reading, it seems like the fundamentalist can still accept the Quinean criterion of ontological commitment without getting into too much trouble. The thought was then that whether we accept Quine’s criterion or replace it with something else seems to boil down to a fight over what to call ‘ontological commitment’. And that seems verbal to me once we’re agreeing how the Razor should be applied.
July 20, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Ross Cameron
Agreed! Although I think fundamentalists need to say something about why the mere existents don’t get weighed up in theory choice. I hope that the naturalness story goes some way to justify that: basically, if you’re neo-Carnapian about the mere existents then, sure, have whatever you like! It’s only what your not neo-Carnapian about that matters. But one of the issues I have with Schaffer is that I don’t know *why* for him only the fundamentals count in theory choice. If he came out and said: “because I’m neo-Carnapian about the ontological commitments that aren’t fundamental” then I think we’ve got a merely verbal dispute. But as far as I know he hasn’t said anything like this. So I’d like to know his answer to that before I make a decision on whether or not we have a real disagreement.
July 20, 2008 at 7:07 pm
richwoodward
Ok, that’s nice. As I intimated in the original post, I haven’t got round to reading your most recent paper yet, but one of the questions I had in the back of my mind was why you were wanted to go neo-Carnapian about the non-fundamental. The justification of the fundamentalist gloss on Ockham’s Razor seems as thought it might give you a motivation.
July 20, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Ross Cameron
I hope so. The other main motivation I have for neo-Carnapianism about what merely exists is that I want to say we can admit that the Moorean truths about what there is are all true, but that this isn’t incompatible with revisionary metaphysics (which are about what there really is).
July 21, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Robbie
There is a worry around here… that is whether minimizing fundamental OC’s is a general theoretical virtue, or a sort of special-purpose metaphysics one. Suppose e.g. that you think that only microphysical ontology fundamentally exists. Then—aside from the physicists—what should we make of appeals to parsimony in science? It’s not very sensible to interpret this as e.g. minimizing the number of kinds of quarks they’re committed to.
This is sharp esp. if we’re thinking of quantitative parsimony—the number of fundamentals each theory postulates. If we’re talking about qualitative parsimony, it’s less clear. But I guess it’s in the spirit of the fundamentals-first folks to count by the number of fundamental qualitities attributed to objects—and e.g. being arranged table-wise won’t be among those. If so, two biological theories with very different ideologies, but which can be supported by distributions of the same fundamental kinds, will be equal on qualitative commitments too.